Donghyeon:
usually electrodes are assumed in these models to be perfectly
conducting --- so if you are using voltage boundary conditions
(Dirichlet) as we do in the defib modeling you don't need an
explicit electrode model except for knowing which nodes are on each
electrode.
If you want to set current boundary conditions instead (say, for
injecting current rather than applying voltage) then the boundary
conditions become a little more complicated. I don't know if SCIRun
has this capability --- Jess did you guys put this in for when you
model "stray leads"? I think we know how to do this in general, and
it is on our list of things to do, so if it is not there and it
would help you, Donghyeon, please let us know what application you
have in mind and we can try to assign someone to work on it --- we
will need it fairly soon ourselves I believe.
If on the other hand you want your electrodes to have some non-zero
resistivity, then I think Jess is correct that you have to then
consider them as simply another "tissue type" --- but you would
still need to define boundary conditions at the edge of the
electrodes, no?
hope this helps clarify things ...
Dana
On 10/14/11 1:35 PM, Jess Tate wrote:
970D09FE-9C54-4850-B5F0-C5C361C1EF46@sci.utah.edu"
type="cite">In our model that is in the
defib tutorial, we set the entire electrode to the same potential
in the boundary condition (AddKnownsToLinearSystem), so if you are
using this setup directly, then the conductivity values inside the
electrode are irrelevant. That said, the space where the
electrodes are also have conductivities assigned to it as dictated
by the segmentation. If for some reason you wanted to set those
regions where the electrodes are to a separate than that of the
tissue (segmentation), you would have to incorporate that into
your segmentation somehow. One way to do that would be to map
some value representing the electrode locations onto
the segmentation mesh used in the FEM calculation (1 at points for
the electrode and 0 elsewhere), you could use the MapDataOntoNodes
or Elements (make sure it matches the data centering for the
segmentation). You can then use CalculateFieldData to set some
kind of comparison between the segmentation and the electrode
label to make the electrode region the value you want, perhaps a
new index and append your conductivity matrix. The comparison
would be something like
RESULT = (DATA2 == 1)*12 + (DATA2==0)*DATA1;
Where DATA1 is the segmentation indices, DATA2 marks where
the electrodes are, and 12 is the new indices (the example
segmentation has 11 tissues already if I remember correct). You
would then add another row to your conductivity matrix to the
value you want for the electrode.
Hope that helps.
cheers,
Jess
On Oct 13, 2011, at 1:05 AM, Donghyeon Kim wrote:
Hi Jess
i understand your question. But what i mean is, when
we model electrode, we set the shape of electrode and
set the boundary condition, current density or
potential on or below the electrode surface and we set
the conductivity in electrode.
Therefore i said that i want to set the conductivity
of electrode.
make sense?
Regards,
Donghyeon
--- Original Message ---
From : "Jess
Tate"<jess@sci.utah.edu>
To : "Darrell
Swenson"<darrell.swenson@gmail.com>, danielkim@gist.ac.kr
Date : 2011/10/13
목요일 오후 3:00:11
Subject : Re:
[SCIRUN-USERS] set electrode conductivity on
DefibrillationTutorial
I don't understand why you
want to set the conductivity values for the
electrodes, in the example they are the
sources. the conductivity values at
locations where you know the potentials (the
electrodes) are not needed and redundant (if
not inconsistent).
The example does provide an example of
how to set conductivity values for various
regions Identified by the segmentation.
this is done by using a matrix values
that correspond with the segmentation
values which can be one of the inputs for
BuildFEMatrix, or you can use
ConvertIndicesToFieldData as in the
tutorial. Basically, you just want to map
the conductivity value to region you want
it to.
cheers,
Jess
On Oct 12, 2011, at 10:49 PM,
Darrell Swenson wrote:
Sorry
to forward these to you, but I am
not sure you are on the list and I
cannot look at them for at least a
couple of days. Feel free to
answer of ignore. If one of us
does not answer, chances are that
no one will.
Begin forwarded message:
Date: October 12, 2011
10:22:57 PM MDT
Subject: [SCIRUN-USERS]
set electrode
conductivity on
DefibrillationTutorial
Hi,
all
I'm try to FEM simulation
based on
DefibrillationTutorial
way,
But this tutorial doesn't
provide how to set
electrode conductivity(can
electrode), Is it
impossible?
Or is there a better way
to simulate FEM on SCIRun?
Regards,
Donghyeon
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Dept. of Info. & Comm., Gwangju
Institute of Science and
Technology(GIST)
261 Cheomdan-gwagiro, Buk-gu, Gwangju
500-712, South Korea
Tel: +82-62-715-2266 Cell:
+82-10-9361-3781
E-mail: danielkim@gist.ac.kr URL: http://biocomput.gist.ac.kr
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