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- From: tom fogal <tfogal@alumni.unh.edu>
- To: iv3d-users@sci.utah.edu
- Subject: [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display
- Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:40:28 -0700
"jimkress_58" <jimkress_58@kressworks.org> writes:
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> Unfortunately the raw reader is generally based around an implicit
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> data layout, i.e. data start at (0,0,0) and change in X slowly and
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> in Z quickly. There's a radio button for "text" input, but looking
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> through the code, all our IO is unformatted so I'm a little wary
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> that the text path is relatively untested.
Side note: we actually do parse text using the right kind of IO
routines, I just didn't notice the code before my earlier mail.
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Yeah. I tried the "text" option and my computer hung.
Hrm. It loaded up fine on my workstation...
Could you use the report an issue dialog && create a bug report for
this, so I don't forget about it?
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> I would doubt it is meaningful, because I don't think the
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> conversion step did something intelligent. Then again, you know
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> your data better than I do :). Do the generated images "look" like
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> your data?
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Hard to tell if I cannot determine their x,y,z spatial location.
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Maybe I'll try slicing the data and see if the contoured intensity
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for each slice corresponds to the volumetric information presented.
Now that I've found what code reads this, I can see it's not
understanding the data correctly. Nonetheless I've attached an image.
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> C++. Adding a new reader is pretty easy/self-contained, so really
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> if you've got someone that knows any ALGOL-derived language && is
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> willing to google some terms, that will be enough that we could
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> walk them through what's needed.
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ARGH! You've hit the chink in my armor. However, I can try to
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struggle through it (I have 30 years of FORTRAN experience but am
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just starting to learn C++). What's the best existing reader to use
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as a starting template?
I get this/similar questions a lot. I *finally* wrote up some
documentation for it; a PDF is attached.
-tom
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: tom fogal [mailto:tfogal@alumni.unh.edu]
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> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:48 PM
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> To: iv3d-users@sci.utah.edu
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> Subject: [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis
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> Display
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> "jimkress_58" <jimkress_58@kressworks.org> writes:
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> > > From a (very) quick read, I'd say this isn't a point cloud. It
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> > > looks as if your data's ranges are [1:16],[2:9],[7:15], and further
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> > > there are no `holes' in the data (i.e. no combination of those
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> > > three indices which is not represented). If this is true, you've
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> > > got regular, gridded data, which is exactly what we need for
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> > > ImageVis3D.
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> >
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> > OK.
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> >
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> > However, when asked, ImageVis3D appears to import the file. It
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> > just asks for the extent (number of points?) in each direction,
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> > i.e. 16,8,9.
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> Yeah, you're getting the raw conversion dialog, which (if you say
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> `yes') comes up when we can't figure out any metadata that would help
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> us read the file.
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> Unfortunately the raw reader is generally based around an implicit data
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> layout, i.e. data start at (0,0,0) and change in X slowly and in Z
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> quickly. There's a radio button for "text" input, but looking through
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> the code, all our IO is unformatted so I'm a little wary that the text
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> path is relatively untested.
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> Worse, detecting errors at that stage is essentially impossible,
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> because we don't know anything about the file. So, ImageVis3D will
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> happily do whatever conversion you've asked for, without regard to
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> whether that conversion makes any sense.
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> > Is this imported volumetric image I observe meaningful?
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> I would doubt it is meaningful, because I don't think the conversion
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> step did something intelligent. Then again, you know your data better
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> than I do :). Do the generated images "look" like your data?
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> As a side note, these data are pretty low res. If they're low
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> resolution for visualization reasons, and you can obtain higher res,
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> do so. People don't tend to believe me until they've done it a couple
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> times, but (seriously!) the size of the data is irrelevant to IV3D.
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> > Is the grey scale presented in the image controlled by the number of
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> > bytes allowed by the graphics card?
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> You're seeing grey because the default renderer is based on 1D transfer
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> functions, and the default 1D transfer function is a ramp for all 4
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> color channels. You can modify the current function with the "1D
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> Transferfunction editor", accessible from the Workspace menu. More
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> details are in the manual.
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> > What would happen if I changed the file so that the intensity for
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> > points outside the current data ranges, that is for points [1:16],
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> > [1,10:16] [1:6,16], are zero?
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> I'm not sure I follow that syntax correctly, but it sounds like you
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> want to add more points to your domain, outside the original domain,
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> initialized to 0? With the default parameters, the only thing that
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> will happen is that your domain size will increase. This is because
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> the default transfer functions are set to remove / not visualize
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> 0-valued data. You could change this in the 1D TF editor by making the
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> leftmost components non-zero.
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> > > If there's anybody in your group who can code, have them follow up
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> > > on tuvok-developers [1].
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> >
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> > Code in what language?
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> C++. Adding a new reader is pretty easy/self-contained, so really if
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> you've got someone that knows any ALGOL-derived language && is willing
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> to google some terms, that will be enough that we could walk them
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> through what's needed.
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> > Also, is the amount of video memory just that which is on the (in
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> > my case) embedded controller or does it include the TOTAL Available
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> > Graphics Memory = Dedicated Video Memory + Share System Memory?
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> To be honest, we ignore the graphics memory setting for now, due to
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> limitations of the rendering API. Someday in the distant future I hope
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> that will be fixable, at which point the "GPU Memory" slider would want
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> to know just your "Dedicated Video Memory".
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> > Thanks for your help. I hate to be such a nag but the software has
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> > such a huge upside for the work I am doing that could help many
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> > people.
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> Not a nag at all. We love to get more people using our software! =)
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> Cheers,
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> -tom
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> > -----Original Message-----
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> > From: tom fogal [mailto:tfogal@alumni.unh.edu]
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> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:41 AM
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> > To: iv3d-users@sci.utah.edu
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> > Subject: [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display
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> >
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> > "Jim Kress" <jimkress_58@kressworks.org> writes:
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> > > The file is attached. It is ASCII and would meet (I believe) your
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> > > definition as point clouds. Please note: cloud is in the plural.
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> >
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> > >From a (very) quick read, I'd say this isn't a point cloud. It looks
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> > as if your data's ranges are [1:16],[2:9],[7:15], and further there
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> > are no `holes' in the data (i.e. no combination of those three indices
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> > which is not represented). If this is true, you've got regular,
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> > gridded data, which is exactly what we need for ImageVis3D.
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> >
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> > If there's anybody in your group who can code, have them follow up on
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> > tuvok-developers [1]. Otherwise I'll add an ASCII reader to my todo
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> > list...
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> >
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> > -tom
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> >
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> > [1] https://lists.sci.utah.edu/sympa/subscribe/tuvok-developers
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> >
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> > > -----Original Message-----
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> > > From: tom fogal [mailto:tfogal@alumni.unh.edu]
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> > > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 6:38 PM
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> > > To: iv3d-users@sci.utah.edu
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> > > Subject: [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display
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> > >
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> > > <jimkress_58@kressworks.org> writes:
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> > > > My dataset consists of one file with many single lines of data, each
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> > > > of which contains the X, Y, Z, and Intensity measured at that X,Y,Z
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> > > > point in space. What is the best way to feed this into ImageVis3D?
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> > >
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> > > We'll need a bit more info on this format. Is there any structure to
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> > > these points, or do they essentially form a `point cloud'? Secondly,
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> > > are these ASCII or binary files?
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> > >
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> > > > Also, I need to be able to display X, Y, and Z axes with user
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> > > > configurable scaling and tic mark number, value and location on each
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> > > > axis.
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> > >
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> > > There's currently no support for this in ImageVis3D, though the
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> request
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> > > has been brought up before.
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> > >
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> > > > I can provide a sample input file if you will tell me how to get it
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> > > > to you.
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> > >
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> > > If you've got a very small example (kilobytes), sending it to this
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> > > mailing list is the best mechanism.
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> > >
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> > > If it's anything larger, use ImageVis3D's builtin "Report an Issue"
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> > > dialog, under the help menu. Add a description describe the file
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> > > format, and use the "Add files" button to add one or more example
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> > > files.
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> > >
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> > > -tom
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- [IV3D-USERS] Help on data input and Axis Display, jimkress_58, 01/15/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/15/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, Jim Kress, 01/15/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/16/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, jimkress_58, 01/16/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/16/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, jimkress_58, 01/16/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/16/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, Jim Kress, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, Jim Kress, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, Jim Kress, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/19/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, jimkress_58, 01/20/2010
- [IV3D-USERS] Re: RE: Re: Help on data input and Axis Display, tom fogal, 01/20/2010
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